This is the second part of a seven-part series with Peter Drahos, a Professor in the RegNet School of Regulation and Global Governance at the Australian National University. He holds a Chair in Intellectual Property at Queen Mary, University of London and is a member of the Academy of Social Sciences in Australia. In 2004 he and his co-author Professor John Braithwaite won the Grawemeyer Award in Ideas Improving World Order for their book Global Business Regulation. Prof. Drahos is interviewed by Lynn Fries, producer at The Real News Network. Find the whole series here.
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LYNN FRIES: Welcome to TRN, Im Lynn Fries in Geneva
This is Part 2 of a series with Peter Drahos who is explaining the story of IP linked to trade.
Joining us from Australia, Peter Drahos is a Professor at the Australian National University at the School of Regulation & Global Governance. He holds a Chair in Intellectual Property at Queen Mary, the University of London. Peter Drahos is co-author of Information Feudalism: Who Owns the Knowledge Economy? Welcome Peter.
PETER DRAHOS: Thank you.
FRIES: In Part 1 you explained the TRIPS Agreement as a case study in how trade negotiations fails citizens. That the text of the TRIPS Agreement was defined by corporations. And the idea that private power drafts laws that we all have to abide by should worry people in democracies.
The TRIPS Agreement set detailed standards of intellectual property law that will profoundly impact the ownership of digital technology & biotechnology. Explain why that mattered so much to the architects of TRIPS.
DRAHOS: They are the big industries that will shape the 21st century. Futurists talk about the idea of software being incorporated into our bodies. If you read some of these projections about where digital technology will take us. In a sense well become hybrids made up of software as well as flesh. And biotechnology will completely reshape our biological universe. So obtaining control over the building blocks of these things means that you control an awful lot.
If you are able to gain control of algorithms that control the products that we all buy. The products that exist in our smart phone. The software that runs the internet. The software that will run our frig. If you can control all of those things or parts of it, that gives you an awful lot of power. And the same is true for controlling the building blocks of biology, of nature.
So the further upstream you go, the more power you will have. And thats why intellectual property traditionally, historically, has been very careful about creating the possibility of such ownership. So we see in patent law for example a very important distinction. Discoveries should not be owned. Its only inventions but that line has become very blurred.
So the basic goal is simple enough. Control the building blocks that inform the technologies of the future. And you will become rich beyond the dreams of avarice.
FRIES: Give us an example of how that works.
DRAHOS: I think Microsoft is an interesting example of a company that understood that the real assets of the company lay in not in the hard end of computer technology. So it wasnt mainframes and it wasnt even PCs. What it really understood was software was the main game. And how does one protect software. The position that has evolved is that software can be protected through a combination of copyright, patents and trade secrets. And once you are able to entrench a particular standard as the main industry standard which is to say that everyone relies on that standard and you are able to turn that standard into a private good then the profits of that are absolutely enormous. And some companies saw this early on. And were able to take advantage of it.
As economies have changed corporations or private actors have come to realize that its much more profitable to control important bits of knowledge. So think back to the old days of dairy farming where people had herds of dairy cows. In the modern economy, its probably much more important to own the gene over the dairy cows and then you can license farmers to produce milk. Similarly, in the old days people would plant seeds and harvest crops. But now its become much more profitable to own the genes in the plants and license farmers.
So the economy has in a sense shifted in profound ways and intellectual property permeates things that we dont really expect such as animals, plants as well as all of the important bits of technology that drive the internet. So intellectual property rights are really pervasive which is of course why there is such an important struggle over there ownership.
FRIES: Can you give us a brief wrap-up of the ground covered so far?
DRAHOS: Focusing on the trade related aspects which is part of the title of TRIPS I think gives us a clue as to the ingenious nature of the idea of shifting intellectual property into the trade agreement. If you want to globalize an agreement the trade regime is a good way to do it because almost all countries participate in the trade regime. If you have a look of the membership of the World Trade Organization I think now over 160 and more countries are lining up to join. And the other thing thats clever about trade related intellectual property rights is that it gives it a certain legitimacy that it completely lacks.
So if we think about intellectual property rights what are they really? Well historically theyre are simply monopoly privileges. They are things that the state grants – as a temporary, and that is important to emphasize, as a temporary privilege in order for these privileges to serve the commonwealth, the greater good. Now by calling these things intellectual property rights, one disguises the fact that you are handing out monopoly privileges.
Now if I said to you we should have monopoly privileges in a trade agreement you would be very puzzled by that. What on earth are monopoly privileges doing in a free trade agreement. And that would be a very good question. In essence they really have no place there. Free trade is all about the movement of goods, the exchange of services or it should be. Free trade should not be about the strengthening of monopoly privileges.
So by placing intellectual property rights into the trade regime, the people that thought of this idea really achieved a couple of things. First of all, they disguised the true nature intellectual property rights or they hoped to disguise the true nature of these monopoly privileges. Thats the first point. And the second point is that they essentially made intellectual property rights part of the global structure of things. So theres a certain solidity now in this things. Its very hard to go back. I mean in the 19th century we had countries that decided to pull out of the patent system. That did away with patents. The Netherlands or Holland did that. You know there was much more experimentation in the 19th century with the patent system. There was must more suspicion but thats impossible to do now. Intellectual property rights are part of this global structural reality.
FRIES: We are going to break and be back with Part 3. Please join us as we continue this series on IP linked to trade with Peter Drahos. Peter Drahos, thank you.
DRAHOS: Thank you.
FRIES: And thank you for joining us on the Real News Network.
Originally posted at The Real News Network.
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